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Taylor
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posted 04-08-2006 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taylor   Click Here to Email Taylor     Edit/Delete Message
Last week ABC Prime Time had a segment on CVSA - Voice of a Liar. If you missed it you can go to
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/

and view it online. (you may need to copy the http and paste it) I watched the segment and a friend just found it on line. Prime Time really made an ass of Dr. Hummel and the CVSA. Donna Taylor

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rnelson
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posted 04-08-2006 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson   Click Here to Email rnelson     Edit/Delete Message
I was recently asked by an attorney from the Center for Court Innovation in New York, during a training conference with the Allie Foundation (Allie was murdered by a repeat, known, sex offender), from MA, to discuss in two sentences or two minutes (as if I could do that) what it swrong with CVSA...

In my view, their are two things wrong with it.

First, what the hell is a microtremor, and why can't we find that in the physiology, psychology, or psychophysiology literature?

Second, there is not one single physiological response or reaction phenomena that is uniquely associated with anything! Diagnosticity is achieved through statistical correlations that are useable, though imperfect. They are imperfect because all human physiological response or reaction phenomena are associated with multiple stimuli. Diagnostic (statistically predictive) accuracy results only from the aggregated correlational efficiency that results from combining multiple associated, but distinct reaction phenomena that occur in response to a predictable stimulus.

I heard Skip Webb a few years ago, respond to Leonard Saxe at the APA conference (maybe 2002?) with a beautiful example about fever, elevated white blood cell count, and pain on the lower right abdomen (each of which can result from multiple causes), when combined, their correleational efficiency (even indepedent of predictive statistics) would signal to 9 out of 10 doctors that a patient has an appendicitis, and 9 out of 10 times they would probably be correct. (These are not Skip Webb's words, but his point was well made.)

Simply put, CVSA attempts to diagnose deception or truthfulness from a single physiological reaction feature, and one that is very difficult to succsinctly define or understand.

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ebvan
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posted 04-08-2006 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ebvan   Click Here to Email ebvan     Edit/Delete Message
I just watched the webcast. All I have to say is


RDRR......R

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Ted Todd
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posted 04-09-2006 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ted Todd     Edit/Delete Message
DAAAMN !

A whole six hours to earn a PhD!? I did several years "hard time" in a Catholic school. I wonder if that would count for my PhD?

Ted
(No Sackett, the "several years" were not all in the same grade!)

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palmatierjohn
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posted 04-16-2006 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for palmatierjohn   Click Here to Email palmatierjohn     Edit/Delete Message
there were many facts and details discussed in the taping of the CVSA program that never got aired, which is normal for these types of projects. There is scientific literature on the micro tremor,but it has nothing to do with the voice and instead addresses a physiological phenomenon that's present in large striated muscle. Humble in fact has misrepresented the research literature if one looks at his web site. The old studies that talk about the discovery of the micro tremor on the NITV web site were accomplished and published, but again had nothing to do with research on the voice. Talking to Brian Ross from ABC news I explained the whole problem with the CVSA theory is that CVSA proponents talk about and eight to 12 cycle per second phenomenon and then use microphones, tape recorders, and other similar devices that can only capture data of 30 cycles per second or higher. The analogy is, you're using a tuna net to catch minnows, and the question is "how do you do that". Brian Ross also asked that 1500 police departments around the United States currently used the CVSA, what did I think about that? I told him it doesn't say much for the intelligence of those departments does it. Of course, that ended up on the cutting room floor.

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Barry C
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posted 04-19-2006 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
They're once again calling voice stress "polygraph." Here's the link to an article:
http://www.moberlymonitor.com/articles/2006/04/18/news/news7.txt#blogcomments

I sent a comment, but I don't know when or where they appear.

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